they're going to raise tax rates. then you say that to boehner's office. no, no. that's not true. >> right. meanwhile the american people are rolling their eyes and not paying attention to any of this. >> look, the stock market has been -- it's been a little troubling for the last three weeks or so. but absolutely. this is like total washington style political posturing. in the end will they get a deal? absolutely. they always get a deal. >> but the question is, is it a small deal or a big deal? >> well sure. >> and that is where i'm a pessimist on i think the smallest possible -- >> yeah. temporary. >> small as possible. >> they'll tackle it next year. >> because there is so much left on the table. we have the debt ceiling, one area where republicans really do have their leverage, you know, that is coming up, too. it's got to be a small deal. >> what is the debt ceiling leverage? i say it this way. okay. you've got leverage but if you use it, the entire -- the popularity rating of the party is going to tank. >> i was